Talk:Emoticon

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Please add your thoughts on the best way to organize emoticons. See Emoticon for information on the new format.

Start over

Okay. Done. I'm putting everything we've done on the bottom of the page so it doesn't clutter the issue (but can be referred to if needed.)

As of this writing:

  • The categories (except for "unclassified J" which I'm working on now) are manageable sizewise.
  • There's a lot of junk i.e. nonsense cats, cats with only 1 member, mis-categorized stuff.

If there is a broad change that anyone wants to request, put it here. IOW, "All the 0*.gif files are static avatar-like things. No reason to keep them. Kill them all." or "Can you rename all the xyz.gif files to something_else.gif???" Stuff that needs to be done to hundreds/thousands of files. I won't write a bot to handle something like 10 files cuz it can be done manually faster than I can code a new bot. Another thing I can write a bot to do is, if you give me a long list of let's say categories to be deleted in a .txt text file, the bot can read each line and delete etc.

Jimbob (talk) 17:51, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)

How to help

To help organize the emoticons, try the following:

  • It would also be helpful to add keywords to the image. Type any words that are too specific to use for categories but would be useful when using "search" to find an image.
  • Click on any suspicious sounding category. If there are only one or two entries, modify those images to remove the category name. Then mark the category for deletion by typing {{Delete}}.
  • Mark any bad or duplicate emoticons with {{Delete}}.
  • Keep an eye out for mis-categorized emoticons and correct them.

If you have any questions, just ask here!

Kelli (talk) 13:23, May 14, 2008 (AKDT)



Everything beyond this line is old and may not be applicable any more



















Jim, would it be useful to have just a few (say) waving emoticons, and then if someone wanted to see more for a wider choice, then they could click on a (see more)type of thing that would take us to the whole lot? Peterdale (talk)

I think that is what the standards category is for. But the great thing about wiki is you can create your own category to mark your favorites.  :) Kelli (talk) 16:16, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)
  • This is what I was thinking, add Category:Emoticon emoticons after uploading them with a simpler name. Create some subcategories such as Category:Birthday emoticon to make it easier to find specific emoticons. I've done a few to show what can be done, but am fine with changing it. Jim's template idea would work well and wouldn't require re-uploading. Kelli (talk) 13:19, May 9, 2008 (AKDT)
  • Keep categorizing on the image itself.
Advantages
  • All emoticons can be displayed by a single command to display the category (or sub-category) even though they are forced to fixed width and height and look ugly, it's okay
  • Only knowledgeable people will be categorizing the images
  • Easy templates can still be made by the general user without having to worry about categorizing
Disadvantages
  • Category page is ugly with images smaller than the fixed width/height they use and takes forever to load.

Jimbob (talk) 16:02, May 9, 2008 (AKDT)

NOTE: - I went ahead and removed the leading Emoticon_ from all the images and added Category:Emoticon to them all BUT I SUGGEST YOU NOT CLICK IT CUZ IT'S A HUGE LOAD WITH ALL THOSE EMOTICONS! I also had the bot put the images in a category with the same name as the old style keywords i.e. Category:Bird. If people go to the categories list and find the red ones that look like they are probably emoticon categories, click on them and add Category:Emoticon to the page, then people will be able to find them. I would also add something like Category:Known Emoticon or something like that so that the emoticons that are somewhat categorized are distinct from the huge pool of uncategorized ones. I dunno - but we probably need something to group the categories of emoticons together that won't cause the huge Category:Emoticons page to load.

Oh - and here's a good one for the old "standards" Category:Standards

Jimbob (talk) 02:30, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)

Darn, I didn't think about the page being too large to load. So maybe as users organize these, we should delete the emoticon category and just add the sub category to the emoticon category. Kelli (talk) 06:53, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)

For our next magic act

Image:Hehe.gif Yeah, grouping all emoticons together makes for an impossible page load. So here is my next suggestion:

  • Drop Category:Emoticon
  • Change the old keywords to be
Category:Emoticon_XYZ i.e. Category:Emoticon_birds / Category:Emoticon_standards (This allows us to see ALL the emoticons together on the category page so we at least know where they are. It also allows us to get them off the pages of identical song tags ... ie. right now, Category:Drums shows both songs in that cat and emots!)
  • Break down those with no keywords alphabetically i.e. Category:Emoticon_Unclassified_A / Category:Emoticon_Unclassified_B / Category:Emoticon_Unclassified_C etc. The allows us to see which emoticons need to be classified (most of them).
  • Tech note FWIW: I can control whether images create thumbnails on categories. I turned it off to see what it looked like. It just lists the files. Worthless for emoticons. I can also control how many items are shown on a category page. I have it set to a very high number right now (10,000) so that on a tag page, ALL THE SONGS are listed i.e. for "Blues" for example. Setting the number at 200 (reasonable) really makes it a pain to have to page through cats with a lot of entries IMO. Soooo...the solution if we end up with 1,000 waving emots and that's impossible to load, is to break them into Category:Wave_page1 Category:Wave_page2 Category:Wave_page3 etc.

I NEED TO DROP THE CATEGORY:EMOTICON FAIRLY QUICKLY AS IT'S CAUSING SQL DATABASE ERRORS. CAN I GET PEOPLE'S CONCURRENCE WITH THE ABOVE SUGGESTION ASAP SO THE NASTY DATABASE ERRORS GO AWAY? Thanks! Jimbob (talk) 15:59, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)

Don't know if anyone else is reading this, but I'm fine with your plan. Kelli (talk) 16:02, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)
Jim, you just add category:emoticon to all the sub-categories. Kelli (talk) 16:05, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)
It should only add the category, not the image. Some of the images have the emoticons category instead of the standards category added to them. Don't know why. Kelli (talk) 16:11, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)
Ohhhhhh---okay. We'll see how this all shakes out. We'll be better off than we are right now. I'm going to dive in shortly. Image:Thumbsup.gif
Categories can have subcategories and IMO they oughta. Oh, listening... there's a way to make the categories make a list of image names/links rather than galleries. A magic word, I think. IMO, our emoticon categories would be named Emoticon-dance or Emoticon-kiss Emoticon-sparks favs, etc. sparx (talk) 16:18, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)
The magic word to show images in a category as links to the images only is __NOGALLERY__. sparx (talk) 16:30, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)
The system might be getting hung on making gallery type images of some of the emoticons. I saw a page, maybe the "Standards" page had an error message on one image. Just a thought. sparx (talk) 16:26, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)
Oh yeah, I saw that on Category:Bird. Kelli (talk) 16:34, May 10, 2008 (AKDT)
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