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Topic started on 11/26/08. Last modified at 04:29, December 5, 2008 by Kimchifox.
Here's a link to the recipe I used. http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/000036moms_turkey_stuffing.php The secret ingredient? Green olives. Along with nuts and apples and raisins and Europa multigrain bread. I think it was yummy. Some people picked out the raisins - as I saw on some dirty plates. :-) My sister picked out the olives. She doesn't like 'em. Hope you all had a lovely dinner yesterday and that you always, every day, have time to be grateful... Esther (talk/contribs) 19:30, November 28, 2008 (AKST)
- Hey Esther. Thanks for sharing what sounds like a great stuffing recipe. With the exception of the olives (which I happen to be quite fond of and will try to convince Arleen to try), this recipe sounds very similar to my mother's recipe . . . unfortunately, something that she took with her when she left for that great big kitchen in the sky. Kimchifox (talk/contribs) 07:00, November 29, 2008 (AKST)
Esther's secret ingredient is the internet. She made stuffing from scratch for the first time ever and got the recipe from the internet. I don't think she's allowed to mention the secret ingredient. Jim (talk/contribs) 10:04, November 27, 2008 (AKST)
Store made dry stuffing mix with added shredded carrots and whole garlic cloves Dean (talk/contribs)Dean
Cornbread and andouille sausage. Cater (talk/contribs) 16:11, November 26, 2008 (AKST)
I don't have a recipe, but I just bought some stuffing premade from a local grocery, and it has tamales, beans, and cheese.... yummy. Jenny
Chestnuts. We sit around the table about two hours the night before peeling the chestnuts. Cub Driver (talk/contribs) 07:35, December 1, 2008 (AKST)
Fully ripe Jalapeno peppers, diced ... and minced turkey liver. Denali (talk/contribs) 18:35, December 2, 2008 (AKST)
Well - I am not sure you'll make the turkey in our way, but it is the most delicious to me: we cook the turkey's lungs, heart and liver, chop them and fry them with rice, onion and some mint without forgetting a handful of raisins, salt, cinnamon and pepper to taste. All the great smelling mix goes inside the turkey. We bake it on a souеrcrout mixed with red pepper and pork fat - very slowly. You are invited to try it in Plovdiv ;-) Gerganchepl
- Ahhh Gery, the "nasty bits" as the lungs, liver, and heart are often called. While I don't recall my mother ever cooking the lungs, my grandfather and I would always argue about who got to eat that chewy gizzard! Your stuffing sound delicious. Anything cooked slow with sauerkraut, red peppers and pork fat can't be bad!!! The next time I'm in Plovdiv, I'll be sure to stop in! Kimchifox (talk/contribs) 11:48, December 4, 2008 (AKST)
The recipes above sound so good, I think I will try some of them. Stuffing should not be relegated only to holidays. We planned to make Dad's mom's recipe for chestnut stuffing - got lots of chestnuts - and - the way I have been taught is to chop a little end off of them and then bake or boil before pealing. Wow - each one produced a big puff of mold smoke - I even got photos! Anyway, we made our stuffing with fresh mushrooms, bacon, black olives, lots of garlic and ciabatta bread and it was very good. Sharpston (talk/contribs) 14:30, December 4, 2008 (AKST)
Topic started on 12/02/08. Last modified at 11:38, December 4, 2008 by Kimchifox.
While my wife and I have given a lot of lip service to the thought of cutting back on this year’s holiday shopping, a quick look at our recent credit card expenditures leads me to believe it will just be lip service. Kimchifox (talk/contribs) 11:38, December 4, 2008 (AKST)
I think you have to actually have a budget to talk about cutting back on it... 
Cater (talk/contribs) 10:02, December 4, 2008 (AKST)
I was hoping to, but it doesn't look like that will happen. Kelli (talk/contribs) 07:12, December 4, 2008 (AKST)
Well, we never really spent anything for the holidays. We're not christian so we don't celebrate christmas as christ's birthday. We also don't believe in Santa anymore so we don't celebrate from that angle as well.
So we will continue to spend $0 on our holiday gifts. We will be making paper lanterns for a solstice parade/festival/bonfire downtown that we always go to. I can get behind celebrating the coming of winter - I believe in that more than Jesus or Santa.
We *have* been cutting back on our spending in general by rather a large amount. We've always spent money like crazy but have used the economic crisis as impetus to limit our unnecessary spending (our worst was dining out - we went out far too often). Sage and I have made it into a game. We each get $20/week to spend on incidentals. If anyone overspends that then they are condemned to a week of a horrible chore of the winner's choice. --Toddtyrtle (talk/contribs) 05:24, December 3, 2008 (AKST)
Topic started on 11/18/08. Last modified at 20:08, November 25, 2008 by Jenny.
I am considering sending an email to all the artists represented on WWR to:
- make them aware of their artist, album and song pages on this site
- ask them to contribute "human" information not generally found on their website
For example, the email might ask them to come to their page and answer the following question:
What is your first memory?
or maybe
What is your favorite part about being a performing musician?
They would be encouraged to put the answer on their artist page (helping to familiarize them with the editing process) and we'd also have "editors standing by" to help with formatting or other questions. Kate Klim has a section called "The Siren Six" which serves as a good example.
So ... what question(s) do you have?
Topic started on 11/21/08. Last modified at 11:03, November 25, 2008 by Sol.
Hi Wheatsters - I drew my sister Kay's name for Christmas, and one of her requests was "female Jazz CDs". I *could* just get her some top-rated Major Label stuff, but I thought I'd take this opportunity to introduce her to Indie. Now, I'm just not into Jazz. Zero. Nada. That's just me. But, I know a *lot* of you are, so I'd like to get some recommendations from y'all. If you have a favorite gem, please reply here or on my user page. Tks in advance, I appreciate it. ElmasnoJ (entered by Jimkloss)
I added some to your talk page but there is one I am trying to remember that maybe someone can help with:
- Female solo jazz
- artist image/album cover was one of my favorites - black-n-white, she with a beret, sexy, attractive, smart, fairly close up whole body shot(?), VERY Joni "in Paris" artistic feeling, Manhattan sophisticated, wearing a long tweed or herringbone coat, winter scene
- almost certain she's from New York
- I thought her name is Rebecca something
I searched all the Rebecca's and New York artists and also all the "R" artist photos - no luck. Anyone know who I'm talking about? And she's REALLY good - definitely an the pro league. Jim (talk/contribs) 21:30, November 21, 2008 (AKST)
- FOUND IT! It is Artists:Rebecca Martin and the image is:
Jim (talk/contribs) 22:23, November 21, 2008 (AKST)
Torch comes immediately to mind. Cater (talk/contribs) 06:23, November 22, 2008 (AKST)
Hi ElmasnoJ! I would recommend Nicole Edwards newest CD, Sparkin'. http://wholewheatradio.org/wiki/index.php/Artists:Nicole_Edwards?artistnum=1747 . She does a GREAT job with 10 standards and 2 originals, and also and inspiring story, continuing to sing despite a rare auto-immune disease... I became a fan when I heard her sing years back at the Alaska Folk Festival. She actually recently stopped by the Wheat Palace to say hello a few weeks ago. So I've been listening to Sparkin' in my car and loving it! How great that you will focus on indie jazz singers by the way. That warms my heart... Esther (talk/contribs) 18:40, November 24, 2008 (AKST)
I'm a fan of Esther Haynes, who is also a lead in Hokum Jazz. Her music tends to lean towards classic-sounding jazz, swing, or blues. She is a perennial winner in the jazz category of the Wammies (The Washington Area Music Association (WAMA) awards). Esther has two CDs availble on CD baby (link from her artist page). -- Sol® (talk/contribs) 11:01, November 25, 2008 (AKST)
Topic started on 11/24/08. Last modified at 11:17, November 24, 2008 by Kimchifox.
Back in the early 80’s, I shared a small office with two other people – a bright, hard-working young woman, Lori, and a know-it-all “newbie” a bit too smart for his own good. While he was only with the company a few short months, he routinely arrived at work a half-hour late and then would chat on the phone with his friends for another half-hour or so before starting the workday. I had the unfortunate “task” of mentoring this guy, and it was apparent from day-one that he didn’t think there was anything I could teach him that he didn’t already know. One morning, I decided to pull a little prank on Mr. Know-It-All by pressing down the connectors in his phone mouthpiece so they would not make contact with the magnet. This way he could hear people speaking to him over the phone, but no one would be able to hear him. I let Lori in on the prank, and she eagerly agreed to keep quiet. In strolled Mr. Know-It-All a half-hour late, promptly sat down and called a friend. Several times he repeated, “Hello! HELLO! Can’t you hear me!” then hung up. He muttered something about having a bad connection and called his friend again with the same results. He then asked Lori to call someone to see if her phone worked. Lori called a friend and told him that they could hear each other. He then turned in his chair to look at me sitting a few feet away and said, “Are you having any problems with your phone?” I tersely replied, “No,” trying to keep a straight face. He paused for a moment, smiled, unscrewed the mouthpiece and said, “Oh, I get it. Someone removed the magnet.” When he saw the magnet was still in the mouthpiece, He exclaimed, “Nope. That’s not it. I don’t get it. What’s wrong with my phone?” All the while, Lori sat quietly at her desk doing everything she could do to not burst out laughing. I responded to him with, “Maybe your friend was pulling a prank on you. Try giving me a call, and I’ll let you know if I can hear you.” He promptly dialed my number; the phone rang, and I picked up and said, “Hello.” He responded with, “Well, can you hear me?” I said, “Yea, I hear you just fine.” He turned and looked at me and asked, “You can really HEAR me?’ I responded with, “I hear you loud and clear.” With that, Lori bolted out the door, tears streaming down her aching red checks. He watched in bewilderment, as she made a hasty exit. Slowly he turned towards me, eyes a-blaring. I sheepishly shrugged my shoulders, gave him a big old Cheshire cat smile, and thought quietly to myself, “What a dumb ass!” Kimchifox (talk/contribs) 11:11, November 24, 2008 (AKST)
Topic started on 11/11/08. Last modified at 13:21, November 19, 2008 by Billybones.
I wrote an essay on a soldier's right to conscientious objection to a war on my WWR page. Check it out. I would be interested in your comments.Billybones (talk/contribs)
Just in it in these days for those that come after US. DOD revived its old self even when I served (remarkable responsiveness to federal environmental law) No one must argue there is still a need for our professional miltia. Note our kiddo's are getting better compensation for voluntarily performing many duties ordered by those whose policies we may not agree with. They still salute smartly They are a proud bunch – Lets not discourage them, ever! Chili (talk/contribs) 12:52, November 15, 2008 (AKST)
I hate to hear of the treatment y'all received. Disrespect and negative actions always produce more negativity and equal disrespect. Of course I can't speak for others, but during the 70s I was treated very well by the people here in the states. Not once did I suffer any name calling or disrespectful actions aimed at me or any of my fellow GIs. We spent many hours in public airports and the only protestors I ever witnessed were in California. The people we came into contact with were very amiable and talkative.
I read a piece by Jerry Lembcke on the spitting image a good while back concerning the spitting on the troops stories. However, Bob Greene wrote a book entitled Homecoming that differs greatly from Lembcke's. Two references...two points of view...two sides of the same coin. Perhaps it's just our individual points of reference that create the division and alters the views of our citizens. Like I say, I can only speak from my experiences with the guys and gals I served with, but none of us ever saw anything that resembled these stories. On the contrary, I knew many military people who played large roles in the peace movement of the 70s, and the long hairs and the GIs shared common ground on the issues. Atuuschaaw (talk/contribs) 06:53, November 15, 2008 (AKST)
- Brother Atuu, unfortunately my experience was no urban legend. It struck me as so odd, because it was April 1974, and less than a year before, I looked just like the guys who accosted us. The memory that lingers is the rage I felt as those guys laughed and gave us the finger as the bus pulled away for Travis AFB. In the whole scheme of things, I guess it was no big deal, but like Tom Waits once penned, "...I've always been puzzled by the yin and the yang. It'll come out in the wash, but it always leaves a stain." Kimchifox (talk/contribs) 05:47, November 16, 2008 (AKST)
Brother Atuu, you've made a compelling argument, especially with the dumping -- I am literally surrounded by Superfund sites. My frame of reference when it comes to the military (rightfully or wrongly) is always combat situations. I wouldn't want the guy in the foxhole next to me deciding that it's an illegal war we're fighting then bolting. I still struggle with Watada, more now that you've expounded upon his position on fighting in Afghanistan. I suppose I would be more sympathetic if he were a conscientious objector. This gets me back to my collaboration with Jim, Reed et. al. on 11/12. I felt uncomfortable with Jim airing pacifist speeches on Veteran's Day, but couldn't put my finger on that discomfort until today. I don't believe I've ever known a true pacifist/conscientious objector. I did know a guy a few years older than me that had a low draft number and chose Canada over Vietnam, but his flight to the Great White North was driven by fear of death, not pacifist beliefs. And like Reed, I had the unfortunate experience of being jeered at, spit upon, and called "baby killer" in San Francisco on my way to South Korea in 1974. Those a-holes most likely were not pacifists or conscientious objectors, but unfortunately, their actions left an indelible stain on my psyche, and their faces appear in my mind when the words "pacifist" or "conscientious objector" are uttered. I now realize that my discomfort is unwarranted. Kimchifox (talk/contribs) 19:37, November 14, 2008 (AKST)
Brother Kimchi, I know you are not alone in the way you feel towards Watada. As for myself, I always have struggled with the idea of giving up my rights just because I might be a member of the armed forces. I struggled with it back in the early 70s and I still can't get my head wrapped around the idea of losing my rights as a citizen of the United States once I am enlisted in the military. I don't agree with the premise that the military is a separate community and that the military are separate and different than the other citizens of the United States.
I was involved in a situation at a base in Texas where we were ordered to dump xylene, toluol, naptha, paint, and other non-chemical items in a landfill prior to an IG inspection in order to comply with their bench stock directives. After questioning the legality of this which brought nothing but just do it and don't worry about it, two of us contacted our respective Congressmen with this information which we knew was wrong. Yet we were the ones who suffered the consequences, not the officers or the NCOs who ordered this act. We suffered nothing as ominous as what Watada is facing, but we were passed over for promotion one cycle, and spent the next year on TDY in the Phillipines, Vietnam, and Thulle, Greenland. Nothing was ever done about that situation, but I did read later once the base was shut down back in the 80s, that it was listed for cleanup by the Superfund. The dump site was on a major tributary of the Colorado River...so tell me how much damage was done from runoff over those 10+ years.
Yes, the military citizens sign a contractual agreement with the government when they enlist, but nowhere in that contract did I ever see anything about surrendering my rights, convictions, or integrity as a citizen of this country. And while I'm on the contract, why is it that our government can break that contract at will (ie: stop loss), but the service members are not allowed to speak their convictions? Watada spoke out for peace, against the war, and what he felt was an illegal action brought about by the current administration, which brought about the charges of conduct unbecoming an officer. His refusal to deploy to Iraq brought the charge of missing movement.
The charge of missing movement was expected, and Watada was willing to follow his conscious and face that charge, but the other charges were a complete dismissal of Watada's rights as a citizen. His attorney commented:
- Well, we expected him to be charged with missing movement or violating an order to get on a bus to accompany his unit to Iraq. We did not really anticipate that they would charge him with additional offenses based upon the comments and the remarks that he's made. And that opens up a whole new chapter in this proceeding, because what the Army has clearly tried to do by the nature of these charges is send out a message to people in the military, that if you criticize the war and if you criticize the decisions that were made to bring the United States into this war, that you, too, could be charged with disloyalty, contemptuous remarks and disrespect for higher officers, and in this case, specifically in this charge, the President.
Concerning his position on deployment to Afghanistan, this is taken from the Wikipedia page on Watada...
- Watada has said he is not a conscientious objector because he is not opposed to all wars as a matter of principle, and he claims he has offered to serve in Afghanistan, which he regarded as "an unambiguous war linked to the Sept. 11 attacks." This was also refused. Watada, in turn, refused an offer for a desk job in Iraq without direct combat involvement.
I have absolutely no problem with Watada, and quite frankly, I find his courage to face, (what he knew would be unfavorable consequences), to be exemplary. His honor to his convictions and his willingness to adhere to such a high code of morals shows great integrity as a citizen of the United States. Being in the military doesn't relieve a citizen from doing what they believe is best for their country. Being in the military doesn't mean we should blindly follow and not question what we determine to be unethical, immoral, unjust, or blatantly wrong. Just my humble opinion as a verteran and a citizen who has always placed my obligations as a concerned and responsible citizen above my obligations as a member of an armed service. Atuuschaaw (talk/contribs) 17:04, November 13, 2008 (AKST)
Brother Atuu, thanks for yet another thought-provoking topic! Ira Hayes is the only name familiar to me, and only because of Clint Eastwood's 2006 movie, Flags of Our Fathers. With the exception of Ehren Watada, I believe the men you've identified are great Americans. Perhaps Ehren Watada is a great American in his own right, but I find myself struggling with someone who enlists in the military, becomes an officer, and then decides not to perform his duties. While there are those that will argue that it is his right to pick and chose which conflicts he will participate in, it is my opinion that one gives up that right when they enter the military, or at a minimum, they should expect unfavorable consequences for exercising that right. It makes me wonder if he would take the same position if his orders were for Afghanistan. Kimchifox (talk/contribs) 04:33, November 13, 2008 (AKST)
I know everybody has different feelings concerning this day. I have to admit my feelings are so mixed on this day that I dread November 11th coming every year. There is no ignoring it or pretending it doesn't exist. My eyes see it everywhere I look. My ears hear it no matter how hard I try to drown the sound out. My heart feels it no matter what I do in order to harden it. So in order to cope with some of those feelings, I would like to honor and share some of our veterans of the past that many of us probably have never heard of, but heroes in their own right! My family members and I who have served in the military and my friends and I who served along side one another, share a brotherhood of suffering, we share the common knowledge of destruction and death, and every day we carry the inhumanity of it all within us.
- Major General Smedley Butler, author of the speech and booklet entitled War is a Racket
- Ira Hayes, a Pima who couldn't cope with the idea of marketing the war, and this internal struggle eventually consumed his very life.
- Desmond Doss was the first conscientious objector to receive the Medal of Honor. There was a documentary made on his life once he passed away back in 2006. The Conscientious Objector
- Thomas W. Bennett was the second conscientious objector to receive the Medal of Honor. Bennett's story on History.net.
- The last person I want to mention is Ehren Watada (Wikipedia link) who has followed his heart and convictions through some very intense and heart breaking times for him and his family. He also is a hero in my eyes for having the courage to make such a difficult decison. His beliefs in real patriotism, values, and his demand for integrity from elected representatives goes above and beyond the call in this veteran's eyes!
